Flat Earther's $100,000 challenge
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  2. The Bible actually does say the earth is a sphere?
  3. The coriolis effect proves flat earth theory to be error
  4. Does NASA alters orbital photos of Earth to hide flat earth reality?
  5. Who actually started the flat earth theology?
  6. Islam & Vatican actually agree on flat earth
  7. Phases of moon prove Earth is a sphere
  8. Does the Foucault Pendulum confirm Earth's rotation?
  9. Does the Sundial confirms Earth's rotation?
  10. Seeing objects far away
  11. How do clouds confirm the Earth is a sphere?
  12. Common sense questions never answered by Flat Earth Theorists
  13. The shocking facts about Verrazano Narrows Bridge
  14. God prevents the Oceans from flooding Earth
  15. A single drop of water proves what?
  16. Unedited curvature of the Earth videos
  17. A spinning Earth
  18. Why do some preach the earth is flat?
  19. LIVE STREAM PROOF - NASA is not altering orbital photos
  20. Why are there no "stars" in NASA pics of Earth from the ISS?
  21. Do stars rotate around the Earth?
  22. VIDEO: Space Station actually Transiting 2017 Eclipse ON CAMERA
  23. Joshua 10:13 explained  
  24. North Korean Nukes confirm the earth is a sphere  
  25. Free floating sphere of water
  26. Laser Beams and Flat Earth
  27. May 31, 2020 International Space Station Docking
  28. Flat Earthers Slander the Holy Spirit
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Why are they preaching a flat earth?
(The answer may shock you!)



 The Bible actually says the Earth is a Sphere

Isaiah 40:22, "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:"

No getting around that. But as expected, some that have gotten used to believing lies cannot see the truth as it is written and therefore can only embrace lies as truth and vice-versa now-a-days. Many are now known to actually use lies to confirm the earth is flat by twisting what Isaiah 40:22 clearly says about the earth being a circle. They claim that "the circle of the earth" can also be defined as a plate because a plate if circular in form while at the same time flat. Nowhere in this verse does it suggest, intimate or even indicate that the the "circle of the earth" is flat. In fact, the word "circle" has never been known to denote a flat object in Scripture. It is merely the invention of men. In fact, the word "circle" in this passage is actually defined in Scripture thusly.


 02329 chuwg {khoog} from 02328; TWOT - 615a; n m

AV - circle 1, circuit 1, compass 1; 3

 1) circle, circuit, compass
 2) (BDB) vault (of the heavens)

Notice this as well. When I posted a video on YouTube about this page and the 2017 Eclipse that proved the earth was not flat; one of my YouTube Subscribers shared this in the comment section of the video after some Flat Earther people tried to twist Isaiah 40:22 to make it appear the word "circle" meant saucer or plate.

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For further evidence that the earth is round, or a "circle" as Scripture describes. Notice this in Genesis 1:1-2 where it says that, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

Dr Carl Baugh, a noted Creationist and Scientist who at one time was an evolutionist who later looked into the Bible to confirm evolution and eventually found science can confirm everything that happened in creation week, said this about what happened when "the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters." What I am about to share are his actual comments as he was able to verify using scientific methods using today's modern technology so as to confirm that which is written can be duplicated in a laboratory, even though it would have to be done mechanically and on a much smaller scale. He of course started his experiments to prove creation false, but then found Science does in fact back it up to the letter! He also stayed within strict biblical boundaries so as to not allow skeptics an opportunity to suggest his findings are only hypothesis in nature. These are his stated results.

In the beginning God created the heavens (space-time dimension) and the earth.  And the earth was without form and void.  When first created, the earth was simply a mass of water.  By calling it earth, the inference is that the Creator had futuristic intentions with design and purpose. ...The earth was void and without form; there was just water.  It did not have a surface form. That would be created on day three of creation.  On day one of creation the Spirit of God would move on the watery mass and thus generate a sphere. ...When the spirit of God moved over the body of water, energy was expressed for a specific purpose. ...The water molecule, H2O, is a unique combination of elements, which include:

 - A negative and positive pole
 - A charge
 - Its own tiny electromagnetic field
 - In random tendency
 - Be solid, liquid, or gas

By adding energy and specific motion to a watery mass, it takes on a spherical shape. The water molecules align, and a global electromagnetic field is formed.   There is super charged water in the lines of electromagnetic energy.  At the surface where the greatest concentration of energy is located, normal electrolysis would occur, breaking the H2O bond and allowing for free hydrogen and free oxygen.  (Electromagnetic energy around bodies of water produces free hydrogen.)  The moving of the Spirit of God would have caused free hydrogen, free oxygen, and an electromagnetic field. -Source

Notice this, when the Holy Spirit "moved upon the face of the waters" 6000 years ago it caused, as Dr Baugh confirmed in a modern day laboratory, that the water had no choice but to take on a spherical shape due to its created North and South polarity. Being the base element for the planet's creation, all that appeared later, like the "dry land" mentioned later in verse 9, would be found upon that massive spherical shape. In fact, you can actually prove that spherical shape is still holding true to this day by simply watching a leaky faucet. Notice this video of a drop of water falling in slow motion. The water still has that north and south polarity forcing it to always go back to a spherical shape each time it is free falling in space from the original force. No getting around that. Or check out this video of a scientist squirting water in space where no gravity exists. He is doing it to show students how to get a washcloth wet. But notice what happens at 1:30 and on in the video! It is a "circle" as the Bible said, but it is not "flat" in any way shape or form. Then notice later in the video at 1:53 as he wrings out the washcloth. See all those "balls of water" floating about? Nary a one appears as a "plate" as the flat earth theorist claims.

So, that begs the question of how can the earth be flat if the water it was created on is spherical in nature and still holds that same spherical shape to this day? And by "NATURE" I mean it was "CREATED" to be spherical in nature.

As I illustrated earlier in Genesis 1:2, the earth was first just a mass of water until the Holy Spirit moved upon that water to give its present day spherical polarity. That being said, and to clarify as well as confirm what I just stated in the previous paragraph about the dry land, notice what is stated seven verses later in Genesis chapter one.

So, the Bible clearly says in Isaiah that the earth is a "circle." Then in creation week we see the Lord creating the water first, then His Holy Spirit causes the water to take on a spherical shape, and then 6000 years later modern day technology confirms what happened in creation week did in fact happen as it is written. Then later, on day three of creation we see the Lord causing "dry land" to appear on the "circle" Isaiah spoke of. Nowhere in those three days, or the three days following, do we see the Lord demanding the water molecules take on shape of a plate. In fact, to this day we can see that spherical shape of the water in every single drop that falls from the heavens on a rainy day as well as every leaky faucet on earth. In short.. those that claim Isaiah 40:22 is speaking of a "plate" shape, are in error.

Still, we do see that the word "circle" is used only once in the KJV Bible making it somewhat difficult to nail down. However, its basic definitions discovered in Strong's # 02329, such as "circle, circuit, are compass" are found in Scripture and when used, do in fact declare the same Hebrew word of "chuwg" as the originating word in each passage. This allows us to put the puzzle pieces back together to get the one definition they can all agree on. After all, God is not the author of confusion, Satan is. Notice the following...

One can see the use of the Hebrew word "chuwg" does carry across in each passage as an encompassing circuit or sphere, especially as seen in both references found in the book of Job. Still, as is also apparent, its rare usage makes it diffiicult to confirm using only Isaiah 40:22 as most flat earth theorists insist on doing. But then, taking things out of context is how Satan always works. So, that being said, what does basic reality dictate when it comes to all this. After all, the Bible doesn't have to speak on everything to make reality appear real. We can actually use that which the Creator has given us (like our brains) to decipher such things. I mean, look at Scientific discovery itself. Many basic facts in life itself need not be mentioned to know they exist. For example, the gas we need for life, (oxygen) is not mentioned in the Bible. Yet we would be considered fools if we declared it doesn't exist.

Bottom line is this. What we see happening with the Christians that push a flat earth is exactly what the apostle Paul declared was a dangerous activity for believers. He said in 1 Timothy 1:4  Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

Every Christian that declares a flat earth knows none of them have any real evidence that can put their theories to rest once and for all, and so as Paul warned it is nothing more than a fable that "ministers questions" because we all know that when one "evidence" is presented by the one declaring a flat earth it raises more questions so as to generate yet another so called "evidence" to back their claim without ever being able to say they have viable undeniable proof.

The Coriolis effect proves flat earth theory a lie

The Coriolis effect is a technical term used to describe what French scientist Gaspard-Gustave Coriolis discovered way back in 1835. If you watch this video you will notice the man firing the rifle shows clearly how using simple real time evidence that the earth is not only round, it is spinning as we speak. But if you want a quick explanation, the best way I know to explain this is like this. If you're into competitive target shooting and you shoot a bullet, that bullet is no longer on the surface of the earth. Seeing how the earth is rotating under the bullet, if you were to shoot that bullet to the east, the planet is moving away from the bullet and therefore will cause it to hit its target a bit higher than the shooter sees in his scope. The opposite effect applies if the shooter aims to the west. Again, watch this video to get a better explanation in real time and on camera to boot! That all being said, you will never find a target shooter who is a flat earth theorist. Reason being is, if they don't compensate for the "circle of the earth" and its "rotation," they will never win another competition.

There is one more way to use the Coriolis effect to confirm the earth is indeed round and is in fact spinning. Many flat earth theorists also claim the Sun orbits the earth and we sit still. So, all that in mind, have you ever seen a weather report regarding hurricanes? Why is the storm always circular in nature and why does it always spin? Better yet, why does it spin in different directions on the opposite sides of the planet? It's because the earth is spinning under the storm and the earth is a sphere. If the earth was flat, the storms wouldn't spin at all. But if they did somehow deny physics and spin due to an outside force, they would always spin in the exact same direction. But to get a better idea of what I'm talking about, check out this video!

Want an easy DIY way to prove this is scientific fact?

Bring your flat earth believing friend to a playground. Both of you get on the merry-go-round without moving it and toss a ball to each other. You can catch it right? That merry-go-round represents the flat earth theory just as they assume it to be. It's a "circle" as they claim, and it's flat like a plate. But since we just watched a video showing why hurricanes spin, and we know by living on planet earth that they do in fact spin, have your friend hold on tight and then spin the merry-go-round. Jump back on and toss him the ball. It never reaches him does it? That's because the Coriolis effect is scientific fact just as easily verified as gravity can be verified by dropping an apple.

In short, it's that easy to prove the flat earth theorists are wrong. But.. I am nowhere near done.


  1. VIDEO: Does Water Swirl the Other Way in the Southern Hemisphere?
  2. The World’s Longest Sniper Kill: The Enemy Shot Dead at 3,871 Yards (Over 2 Miles Away)
    NOTE: Among other things like wind and gravity, the article stated that the soldier had to take into account the "Coriolis Effect" so as to make the shot! If the earth was flat he WOULD HAVE MISSED!
    "Earth itself, and the position of the shooter and target on the globe become factors at long range. The Coriolis Effect dictates that bullets shot in the northern hemisphere drift to the right, while those shot in the southern hemisphere drift to the left, and this phenomenon increases the farther one gets to the poles. Furthermore, shooting east with the rotation of the earth will cause bullets to strike high, while shooting west will cause the same bullet to strike low."

NASA alters orbital photos of Earth?

As hard as this may be for some to swallow, some flat earth theorists claim that NASA alters the photographs they take in orbit to make the earth to appear round. If the only photos we had of the earth from high altitudes were from NASA, this claim would be difficult to rebuke. But, thanks to the Internet and literally millions of pictures from remote control airplane enthusiasts and amateur solid rocket hobbyists, (like myself) we have a literal mountain of pictures to confirm they are wrong again. Check out the list of videos posted below. Very interesting to say the least and some of them have amazing videography!

  1. VIDEO: High altitude weather balloon flight
  2. VIDEO: Amateur shocks NASA
  3. VIDEO: Model rocket with onboard camera (Launch at 7:00)
  4. VIDEO: DIY Rocket Fly Into Space - Amateur High Power Solid Model Rocket Launch to Space (Flight video at 2:30)
  5. VIDEO: Second flight of JHAB project (Excellent video!)
  6. VIDEO: Massive climb up antenna station
  7. VIDEO: 4931m 16177ft RC plane altitude record!
  8. VIDEO: FPV RC Plane High altitude record Mobius HD Autopilot (Excellent video!)

If you watched some of all of those videos above, I then must ask, are we to assume that NASA somehow confiscated all those cameras to alter their photos and videos? Worse yet, what of the kids that had cameras in their rockets or RC planes? Did NASA somehow teleport into each of those cameras to alter those pics before they even landed? And what about the video of the man climbing the antenna tower in video #6? As for videos 5 and 8, all I can say is WOW! Those videos are absolutely beautiful and very exposing to those preaching flat earth theology.

Who started the flat earth theory?

What I've found in a comparatively short period of time was a man named Lactantius who lived from 245-325AD. He of course rejected all previous theories from both secular and religious leaders that the earth was a globe or spherical in shape. Later in life Lactantius converted to Catholicism and at first was considered a heretic by the Roman church. However, during the Renaissance the Vatican did in fact promote his findings as scientific fact and actually persecuted and killed anyone who said otherwise. Somehow Christopher Columbus, the lone believer in a spherical earth at the time who was ridiculed and threatened by the Pope of Rome, did in fact set sail to prove the earth was spherical in shape. His findings did openly embarrass and confirm the Pope to be as he is to this day. A liar who does all he can to ridicule the written Word of God.

The flat earth eventually became nothing more than a theory of the woefully uneducated who were without any scientific knowledge whatsoever. It did survive in some regions of Africa wherein uncivilized tribesmen did in fact believe and teach the earth was flat. And as expected, right before the Creator of this world returns we see the old lies that worked so well in the past for Satan who sought to make the Bible appear faulty, have reared their ugly head again. As amazing as it may seem, in the prophesied age when knowledge was to be far advance as the prophet Daniel said, (in Daniel 12:4) some still refuse to read their Bibles as the prophet Amos predicted. (Amos 8:11) But that's to be expected. After all, these are the last days.

Additional info to ponder:

Islam and Vatican agree on flat Earth

As I was doing this research I came across something quite telling in the matter! As many of you know that frequent this website and watch the many videos I post on YouTube or John1429.org, I have stated many times the Pope wrote the Koran of the Muslim people so as to use them in their agenda to enforce their mark. In fact, the evidence has recently been growing so much regarding their actions behind the scenes with the Muslims that I was moved to create two new pages on the site exposing the Pope and Islam. One is titled "The Pope and Islam" and the other is titled, "Pope wrote Koran."

I also have many Newsletters touching on the same subject regarding Rome's love affair with Islam. On these pages I prove with well sourced documentation as well as the testimony of an ex-Muslim (on video no less) who converted to Catholicism that the Pope of days gone by did indeed write the Koran. He (the ex-Muslim) of course doesn't realize he's admitting this, but the dogmatic statements he sshares on camera are easily found in the Koran proving the Popes of Rome wrote that book hands down. Notice the picture of a Koran on the left side of this paragraph. (Click the pic for full size version of it.) That pic is actually in most Korans to this day, and it is actually placed in the Koran where they speak of the Vatican approved theory of the flat earth. One can also see the Vatican created Islam so as to kill Christians. But that's a whole nother webpage in and of itself. That all being said, notice the following videos and articles confirming the flat earth theory of Rome is found in the Koran of Islam.

In the videos they actually show how way back when the Vatican was teaching and preaching flat earth theology that the Koran was written with flat earth theology within it at the same time. This further proves the Popes wrote the Koran. But, that's not why I posted this here. I posted it to illustrate who it is the modern day Christians are actually joining with in theology when preaching the earth is flat. The demon that moved Lactantius in his day, who later caused the Pope to teach flat earth, who then later placed his theories in the Koran is the exact same demon moving the people that preach flat earth theology today. And worse yet, some of them are claiming this is a salvation issue. (which I get into later) They actually teach if you refuse to preach it you will go to hell. That in and of itself proves they are working directly with agents from hell and are in grave danger of damnation, for it is common knowledge among Christians with eyes that see, present truth is the Heaven sent message for today. Every student of prophecy on the planet knows this as prophetic and Scriptural fact. Satan know this, and is right now doing all he can to stop those he fears will run with it. So.. keep those poor souls in prayer that preach this demonic doctrine. They are totally off the path of prophetic as well as Scriptural truth.

Phases of Moon prove Earth is a sphere

If the earth is flat and plate shaped, then it has to be facing the Sun 24/7, else we would never have daylight. It would also have to be facing the Sun 24/7 to be able to make a perfect circle to cover the Sun in a lunar eclipse, or even the monthly phases of the moon. Well then, if it's flat as they assume, then the Sun could NEVER go down! Yes, the flat earth theorist does claim the Sun hits the earth with a glancing blow to allow day and night, but if that's true, why is the eclipse round? It should be at the very most crescent shaped if it is truly a plate. Or ... and you now need to be sitting down for this one, the shadow of the earth would need to be square because the flat earth theorists also believe the earth is a concave disc sitting in a massive square. They believe this because of Professor Orlando Ferguson's research. Click on the pic to the right of this paragraph for a blown up version of his research to see what they are actually teaching here.

As you can see by clicking on that pic to the right, the earth would then have to cast a square shadow on the surface of the moon whenever an eclipse was occurring. Now, I've been on this planet a few decades, and I know what I've seen with my own eyes whenever an eclipse came upon us. But I have to ask the reader, have you ever seen a square shadow on the moon during an eclipse? No? Then you too must agree, the earth is NOT flat!

One last thing on this point
Click here for a picture of an obviously fabricated lunar eclipse that if it were real, flat earthers the world over would have been able to present it to all of us as the door closing, mic dropping, definitive final proof regarding their flat earth theory. Because the basic reality depicted in that pcture declares that if it was true, why haven't literally billions of people ever been able to take a photograph of a lunar eclipse that looks like this picture.

Sometimes it's just that easy to show how big the lie really is.


The Foucault Pendulum confirms Earth's rotation

Okay, this one doesn't need much explanation at all as most of us that were subject to the horrors of the government schooling system know all about the Foucalt Pendulum. I have been to at least three field trips in my schooling years and recall quite clearly the massive Foucault Pendulum set up in the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago Illinois. But just so you don't think I'm making this stuff up. Notice the following quote.

The Foucault pendulum, named after the French physicist Leon Foucault, is a simple device conceived as an experiment to demonstrate the rotation of the Earth. While it had long been known that the Earth rotates, the introduction of the Foucault pendulum in 1851 was the first simple proof of the rotation in an easy-to-see experiment. Today, Foucault pendulums are popular displays in science museums and universities.

Animation of a Foucault pendulum at the Pantheon in Paris (48°52' North), with the Earth's rotation rate greatly exaggerated. The green trace shows the path of the pendulum bob over the ground (a rotating reference frame), while the blue trace shows the path in a frame of reference rotating with the plane of the pendulum.  -

The Sundial confirms Earth's rotation

Any child with a stick and a friend on the Internet, or even a few miles away can prove the Earth rotates with this method. All you need to do is place a stick, preferably one of the exact same size as a friend in the ground. You need to also place some paper directly under the shadow of the stick and map out a graph of lines. As the shadow slowly moves, trace the shadow's length.. wait a few minutes... do it again.. and again.. and again. (if you're bored) Then have your friend online or a few miles away do the exact same thing with a stick of the exact same length. The easiest way to do this is to use a yardstick. Have both yardsticks stuck into the earth to the same depth. That way when you measure the shadows at both locations you will be in sync. Now.. if the Earth is flat as some presently assume, then the shadow in the two different locations will move in the exact manner and have the exact same length. But as you will see with your very own eyes, the shadows will be of different lengths.

Eratosthenes (276-194 BC) the Greek Inventor used this exact same principle to calculate the circumference of the Earth back in his day. He came up with an amazingly accurate measurement using this method. Had the earth been flat he would still be sitting there to this day calculating.

By the way.. the fact we all have different time zones on earth proves it's not flat! In fact, have you ever taken a ride in a plane heading East? The coriolis effect described above applies here as well. Only YOU are actually the bullet! Next time you're on a plane heading East or West take notes as to how it effects the daylight hours of the day you travel. After all, we're always looking for something to do while traveling by plane right? An experiment like this can help pass the time away. You can actually prove fat earth theorist wrong by using a simple wrist watch!

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Seeing objects far away

Here's another easy way to prove the earth is spherical and not flat. Go outside and look in any direction you wish. Make note of what you can see. This works best if you live in a rural area that is preferably flat or less hilly in nature. After looking around for a few minutes go back into your house or climb the nearest tree. (be careful!) If you go in your house, go upstairs, or better yet, if you have an attic with a window, go there. Now look outside. You will notice you can see things far away that you couldn't see while standing on the ground. Notice the two pictures below as an easy way to explain this basic reality.



The higher you are, the farther you see. That can't happen with a flat earth! I know this for a fact because when I was a young man I painted water towers for a couple of Summers. I recall standing on the top of the towers in and sometimes on the edge of small towns. While up there I could see for many more miles because I was 120 feet up. I also recall the time I went to the Sears Tower in Chicago's loop. I was on a lunch break and went to the observation deck. I could literally see my neighborhood from up there even though it was a 45 minute drive down I55! There is no way I could have seen that from the ground! Sometimes your own experiences can answer questions like this.

By the way.. have you ever taken a ride in a hot air balloon? If so, you already know first hand the earth is not flat!

Clouds confirm the Earth is a sphere

As we just realized in the last representation confirming the earth is a sphere; something as simple as long distance travel can attribute to this fact of life if we can just get high enough to see the curvature of earth or tall objects in the distance. But getting back to that hot air balloon; have you ever been in one? If you have you would have seen with your own eyes the horizon has an obvious curve to it. But you really don't need great heights to see this either.

Even if you've never been in a balloon, like most of us; you have seen them in the air. Now, riddle me this. If you're standing in a wide open field, as I do daily in my neck of the woods, and you see a balloon lift off nearby, as I have seen before, it rises very high into the air. But then wait about an hour or so for the balloon to drift along the jetstream. Notice as it gets farther away from you that it appears to be landing. It appears to get closer and closer to the earth as it travels in the distance.

Now, get in a car and drive towards the balloon. It rises back up again doesn't it? That's because the curvature of the earth is real. And thanks to the Coriolis effect mentioned above, you are now playing the part of the bullet heading towards the horizon.

Or.. think on this for a moment. It's a blue sky day. You can see the horizon a few hundred miles away as you drive down a long highway on the plains or across an Arizona desert. Beautiful isn't it? Suddenly, within a few hours the sky is dotted with all sorts of clouds. Looking straight up you know the clouds are thousands of feet in the air, but when you look at the horizon hundreds of miles away while driving your car, the clouds look to be on the ground. Why is that?

The atmosphere of earth that the clouds float on confirms the earth is a sphere in that it is connected to the earth so as to keep us, and all air breathing creatures, alive. Be it flat,, round, or mountain shaped like some asteroids, the atmosphere must cling to the planet of which it resides. In our case, the earth is round, and so it clings like the outer shell of a baseball.

As I illustrated above with the picture titled "Round Earth Reality" one can see that the clouds, or even planes in flight would definitely appear to be sitting on the ground in the distance with a round earth. If the earth was flat, as some that agree with the Vatican and Islam do today, then the clouds would never appear to reach the ground at all. They would just darken and then eventually disappear in the distance high above the flat earth and you would see the "ice wall" they claim encircles the earth.

By the way, check out the two pictures below. They are the same. I only inverted one to make a point. The pic on the left is what it looks like while flying above the clouds in an airplane or hot air balloon. Notice how the clouds appear to disappear in the distance? They appear like that because you are in an airplane above the clouds which float in the atmosphere of the earth and therefore dropping from sight to follow the curvature of the earth. (NOTE: You can also see the curvature of the earth in these pics as well.)

Now.. look at the pic on the right. It's the exact same pic. Only difference is I inverted it. That's how our sky should look in the distance if we were on a flat earth. The clouds would never appear to touch the ground because the atmosphere would be just as flat as the flat earth it was floating above. Even if the earth was a bulge on a flat disc as some claim the flat earth to be resting in a square, as we discovered above when discussing the phases of the moon and how the eclipse proves the earth is not flat, perspective would still allow the trees and tall buildings to appear smaller on the plain of sight while to clouds would remain constantly above due to their floating above the entire square. They would never appear to reach the ground. They would simply float above the square. No getting around that!

Common sense Questions never answered by Flat Earth Theorists

In this section of the page I would like to address the common sense questions that are never answered by flat earth theorists. Of course, the questions that are answered using Scripture and Scientific fact listed above are for the most part left unanswered when asked. Some are answered using bad science and some even go so far and to twist Bible Scripture to make their theology work. As time goes on, this section will no doubt grow. If by chance someone answers the questions listed below, I will do my best to further investigate their response and go from there. For now.. I only have one common sense question.

  1. Ship sinking on Horizon?
    Many flat earthers declare the ship sinking in the distance does not prove the earth is round and they come up with many silly reasons why and so I ask, if the earth is flat, why are lighthouses so tall? If they could see the light many miles in the distance then all lighthouses would need to be only a few feet tall.
  2. Nothing in orbit?
    Flat earth promoters have stated for decades there are no satellites or space stations in orbit. Yet on 04-01-18 (fitting eh?) this was announced on Fox News...
    VIDEO: Chinese space station Tiangong-1 hurtling toward Earth for reentry
  3. The Indestructible Compass?
    Humans have been on earth now 6000 years now. In that time we have learned to fly, and some have even gone so far as to orbit the earth. Literally billions have taken flight in commercial airliners, and billions more have traveled by ship over the centuries. So, I have to ask, out of the 7+ billion on earth now, or the tens of billions in the past, how is it NO ONE has ever found the edge of the flat world? Yes, I know all about the bad science assumption that the compass will prevent them from reaching the edge because they follow the magnetic direction given by the compass. On a flat earth the compass would keep them from ever reaching the edge, or traveling in circles. (so flat earth theorists say) But since there are 7+ billion people alive right now, and in the last 6000 years, if you add up all the people, I am sure we will reach tens of billions of souls, of which most would have been on at least one ship in their lives; how is it none of them ever had a broken compass? Is the compass somehow indestructible? Well.. if you believe in a flat earth, then I guess it's not that hard to believe in an indestructible compass as well. Still, "common sense" tells us that at least a few hundred million people had to have experienced at least one broken compass in their lives, and then with that broken compass drifted off course on the ocean or in the air and crashed into the so called ice wall with their ship, or flown their plane into outer space after flying over it? Do you really expect everyone to believe that every ship and every plane had a perfectly working compass for the last 6000 years? Seriously?
  4. Time Zones?
    It is completely impossible for a flat earth to have time zones. So, I have to ask, if the world is flat, why is it noon in Hawaii and midnight in the Middle East at the exact same time globally? That can only happen on a round world.
  5. GPS triangulation?
    In order to get a precise GPS location at any given moment you need for that GPS device to be able to reference at least 4 points using satellites so as to calculate your location "on a sphere" by means of elementary triangulation. How is that even possible on a flat earth?
  6. No pictures of a flat earth?
    It's 2015. At least 6.8 billion people own cell phones right now. (
    source) As we all know, most cell phones have HD cameras in them. We also understand there are literally millions of pictures of the earth online right now. Why is it there is not a single picture of a flat earth or even of that supposed ice wall at the edge of the flat earth? NOT ONE PICTURE? Seriously?
  7. More to come?
    Email me if you have a "common sense" question.

The Verrazano Narrows Bridge

The Verrazano Narrows bridge, connecting Staten Island and Brooklyn, began construction in 1959 and ended in 1964. This bridge had to be designed with the curvature of the earth in mind due to the positioning of the two towers that were needed to hold it up. At that time it was the largest suspension bridge on the planet and in 2015 it is still the largest one in the nation.

It's two towers were separated by 1300 meters and of course had to be erected perfectly vertical so as to prevent collapse. However, due to the curvature of earth, they appear skewed when looking at them from afar. In other words, when looking at the top of each tower you will notice they are are 41 millimeters further apart at the top than they are at the bottom because, even though they are both perfectly vertical so as to keep the structure of the bridge safe and sound, they appear skewed by the curvature of the earth.

Additional confirmed data on this is as follows...

"The Verrazano Bridge has a span of about 1300 m, as compared to just 500 m for the Brooklyn Bridge. The Verrazano Bridge is so long that it’s affected by the curvature of the earth: “Because of the height of the towers (211 m) and their distance apart (1,298 m), the curvature of the Earth’s surface had to be taken into account when designing the bridge — the towers are 1 5/8 inches farther apart at their tops than at their bases.” (Source)

"Its monumental 693 foot high towers are 1 5/8 inches farther apart at their tops than at their bases because the 4,260 foot distance between them made it necessary to compensate for the earth's curvature. Each tower weighs 27,000 tons and is held together with three million rivets and one million bolts. Seasonal contractions and expansions of the steel cables cause the double-decked roadway to be 12 feet lower in the summer than in the winter." (Source)

"The towers soared 650 feet above the water, while the double-deck roadway was suspended 226 feet high.  The main span stretched 4260 feet between towers.   These distances are so high and far apart that in designing the bridge it was necessary to take into account the curvature of the earth. The total height of the towers is 693 feet and with the towers 4260 feet apart the top of the towers are 1 5/8" further apart due to the curvature of the earth. On November 21, 1964 the Verrazzano Narrows Bridge opened and held the claim as the longest suspension bridge in the world." (Source)

In short, anyone living in Brooklyn or Staten Island have an eye witness testimony that flat earth theorists are 100% wrong. That means, as per 2013 statistics, Staten Island had a population of 472,621 people and Brooklyn had 2,504,700 people living there in 2010. That means, if no one else visits those cities and sees that bridge, as of 2010, at least 2,977,321 people know the earth is not flat by simply looking at the bridge!

God prevents the Oceans from flooding the Earth

It says the following in Job 12:15, "Behold, he withholdeth the waters, and they dry up: also he sendeth them out, and they overturn the earth." Notice the following.

Strongs # 06113 "WITHHOLDETH"

Strongs # 02015 "OVERTURN"

 06113 `atsar {aw-tsar'} a primitive root; TWOT - 1675; v AV - shut up 15, stayed 7, retain 3, detain 3, able 2, withhold 2, keep 2, prevail 1, recover 1, refrained 1, reign 1, misc 8; 46

 1) to restrain, retain, close up, shut, withhold, refrain, stay, detain

    1a) (Qal)
to restrain, halt, stop
        1a2) to retain
    1b) (Niphal)
to be restrained, be stayed, be under restraint


02015 haphak {haw-fak'} a primitive root; TWOT - 512; v AV - turn 57, overthrow 13, overturn 5, change 3, turn... 6, become 1, came 1, converted 1, gave 1, make 1, perverse 1, perverted 1, retired 1, tumbled 1; 94

 1) to turn, overthrow, overturn
    1a) (Qal)
        1a1) to
overturn, overthrow
        1a2) to
turn, turn about, turn over, turn around
        1a3) to change, transform

    1b) (Niphal) to turn oneself, turn, turn back

The Word of God is plainly stating that if it wasn't for the Creator "withholding" back the waters that "overturn the earth" we would be flooded with water many hundreds of miles inland daily. Before commenting on His "withholding" the waters; the fact the Bible is suggesting the waters "overturn the earth" lend credence to the fact that the weight of the immense amount of water on this planet has some effect on its inertia or spinning on its axis. And yes, water is one of the heaviest elements out there, so it is a plausible theory that the oceans do contribute to the spin. Don't believe me? Pick up a small 5 gallon jug of water and see how heavy it is.

Want to see how the inertia God put there keeps the water at bay? Place a half gallon of water in a bucket and quickly spin it over your head. Now a drop spills out does it? So, with the moons gravitational pull placed there by the Creator, one can see how the oceans have to have some effect on the planet's spin while at the same time stay away from the shore as He designed. If the earth was flat and there was no bulge, then this would all be moot.

But notice this...

If the Earth was flat and the moon had no gravitational effect as Flat Earth theorists claim, why would the Lord have to "withholdeth the waters?" You see? Once again they make God out to be a liar by their flat earth theories. (I go into more detail on that below) Just visiting a small lake or a pond one can see that the water stays in the hole prepared for it. Yes, they too "bulge" with the gravitational pull of the moon, but as small as they are it's not easy to notice without special instrumentation. But the ocean is one huge hole filled to its brim with water and scientific fact declares there is a tide and an "equatorial bulge" in the ocean of which anyone on the ocean in a ship during a storm can see how high that buldge can rise. That means, with every ocean storm there should be massive inland flooding as well as with every high tide since gravity doesn't exist according to the Flat Earth theorist. But there isn't daily destructive flooding. The moon's gravitational pull and the spin of the planet keeps the massive oceans from spilling over the shores as the Creator planned and continues to plan each and every day.

Additional confirmed data on this is as follows...

"An equatorial bulge is a difference between the equatorial and polar diameters of a planet, due to the centrifugal force of its rotation. A rotating body tends to form an oblate spheroid rather than a sphere. The Earth has an equatorial bulge of 42.72 km (26.54 mi): that is, its diameter measured across the equatorial plane (12,756.28 km (7,926.38 mi)) is 42.72 km more than that measured between the poles (12,713.56 km (7,899.84 mi)). An observer standing at sea level on either pole, therefore, is 21.36 km closer to Earth's centrepoint than if standing at sea level on the equator. The value of Earth's radius may be approximated by the average of these radii. An often-cited result of Earth's equatorial bulge is that the highest point on Earth, measured from the center outwards, is the peak of Mount Chimborazo in Ecuador, rather than Mount Everest. But since the ocean, like the Earth and the atmosphere, bulges, Chimborazo is not as high above sea level as Everest is." (Source)

"The gravitational attraction between the Earth and the moon is strongest on the side of the Earth that happens to be facing the moon, simply because it is closer. This attraction causes the water on this “near side” of Earth to be pulled toward the moon. As gravitational force acts to draw the water closer to the moon, inertia attempts to keep the water in place. But the gravitational force exceeds it and the water is pulled toward the moon, causing a “bulge” of water on the near side toward the moon (Ross, D.A., 1995).

On the opposite side of the Earth, or the “far side,” the gravitational attraction of the moon is less because it is farther away. Here, inertia exceeds the gravitational force, and the water tries to keep going in a straight line, moving away from the Earth, also forming a bulge (Ross, D.A., 1995)." (

"Note that gravitational forces alone are responsible for the tides. Some textbooks confuse the matter by talking about "effects due to rotation". Rotation of the earth does indeed cause an "equatorial" bulge extending entirely around the earth. This is quite different from tides. For one thing, the equatorial bulge is constant in size, and not in any way related to the position of the moon or sun. The lunar tides are an additional distortion added to that equatorial bulge, and they are relatively fixed in position relative to the moon, not to the earth." (Source)

A single drop of water

It says in Genesis 1:2, "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters." When the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters it was no longer "without form and void." In fact, anyone can see can how water will always find a shape. What I mean is, before the Spirit of God moved upon the  face of the waters, it had no shape. As the Bible says in the above verse, it was without form and void. When the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters it caused an electromagnetic field to be generated around the water which then caused a natural polarity to be formed that would then cause to water to take on a spherical shape. At the movement the Spirit of God did that the water had a north and south polarity. Then later in Genesis 1:9 it says, "And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so."

Since the water was made first on day one and the dry land appeared later on day 3 from within it, how I ask can the earth be flat? In fact, have you ever seen water in outer space? See this video and you will see that in space the water will eventually form a ball shaped sphere just as it did on day one 6000 years ago. Also notice as the person places their finger in the blob of water that the smaller droplets coming off the larger immediately find their north and south polarity as the Spirit of God created long ago. Also notice this video of water droplets in gravity on earth. So the excuse that gravity will flatten the earth that is inside the water is proven false. How I ask can the earth be flat when the sphere of water created by God who them later caused the dry land to appear within it be anything but spherical?

See this video (from 36:35 to 43:17) of Dr Carl Baugh explaining all this in a more scientific manner using Bible Scripture. This man is a well known creation Scientist. That being said we need to consider the source of the flat earth theory. Everyone that comes up to you claiming the earth is flat are not scientists. At least not as the Bible defines.

Curvature of the Earth videos

In this section I'll just post links to actual videos showing the curvature of the earth. Make special notice of the first video. Flat Earth theorists also claim there are no satellites in orbit. They claim the only pictures we see of them are drawings or digital artwork. In the first video you can see them plainly. Yes, it's sped up to allow the viewer to see more of the planet as it spins by. Also notice how the cloud formations are not "the same" as some Flat Earth theorists claim. They state all the pictures of the world in space are from one doctored photo of NASA from the 1960's.

By the way... check out video #10! It has some very good points I didn't bring up on this page! Also notice video #3. Flat Earthers say there is an ice wall encircling the "circle of the earth" that sits in a square pan. Notice you see clear through the atmosphere as the planet spins by! Where's the ice wall backing all that? PLUS, they always claim NASA never shows the earth with the stars, yet this video confirms they lie. (as does video #2) By the way.. those arent' CGI stars either. Can you see the big (little?) dipper as it floats by? Watch for it on the top center around 2:58 to 3:05 in the video.

  1. VIDEO: Flat Earth Debunked (Without Citing NASA) - CASE CLOSED
  2. VIDEO: Flat Earth & Fake NASA COMPLETELY Debunked into Oblivion
  3. VIDEO: Flicker moment of Italian astronaut
  4. VIDEO: NASA Video compilation
  5. VIDEO: The Curvature, Earth from Space in 4k (UHD) (notice satellites!)
  6. VIDEO: Curvature of the Earth atop Setúbal, Portugal
  7. VIDEO: V-2 Rocket, White Sands, NM 1946/11/21 (Notice at 0:45 and on)
  9. VIDEO: curvature of the earth
  10. VIDEO: Earths Curvature!
  11. VIDEO: Earth Curvature Correction
  12. VIDEO: TOP 10 REASONS Why We Know the Earth is Round
  13. ...more to come

The Frozen Great Lakes!

Think about this. If the Flat Earth Theorist was correct, then that means every pilot, ever model rocket enthusiast, ever weather balloon launcher, and every weatherman, every air traffic controller, every bridge builder, every rocket manufacturer, every long range target shooter, every amateur astrologer and every photo developer from the early 1930's to the present digital camera age wherein photos can be easily altered would have to be in on the lie! How on earth were they able to get so many people to build such a conspiracy as this? One in which little children to rational thinking adults would agree to proclaim the world round when they knew it was flat? That being said, what's more believable? Your own eyes, or the lies those that seek to pull you away from Christ are preaching? What do I mean by that? Keep reading...

Spinning Earth

4/30 The Soyuz TMA-15M rocket launch (pic on left)

The Soyuz TMA-15M rocket launches from the Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan on Monday, Nov. 24, 2014, carrying three new astronauts to the International Space Station. It also took caviar, ready for the satellite's inhabitants to celebrate the holidays. (Source)

As we know, the flat earth theorist claims the earth is not only flat, it is stationary and never moves. In fact, they teach the Sun orbits the earth. But notice the picture on the left of a rocket launching at night. (click it to zoom in) The photographer obviously allowed for a wide open lense and long exposure time so as to cause the intense contrast and graphic effect which allows for the rocket engine flame to remain constant in the entire shot. Notice the curve? If the rocket was launched from a flat stationary planet as flat earth theorists claim, there would be no arc in the lift off. In other words, the photo would show a perfectly straight line for the rocket engine's flame from the earth to the sky and all the way into orbit. But since the planet is rotating underneath the rocket as it ascends, the photographer with the camera on the moving planet is moving along with the rotating earth while the rocket itself is no longer connected to the earth. Something as simple as this can squash the flat earth theory.

Also, take a look at this video titled "incredible timelapse of the North Star." If the earth is not spinning as flat earth theorists claim, how is it the camera that is set on a tripod on planet earth the small building in the foreground that is also on planet earth and all the huge pine trees behind it which are actually growing out of planet earth are stationary along with the north star but every other star in the sky is spinning? The only explanation is the planet that the camera, building and trees are on is the one spinning!

You know, it's blunt facts like this that clearly show the flat earth theorists KNOW they are in fact lying. They are only keeping the lie going to see how many people will join them in the deception. And that means for the most part they are either Atheists who hate the Creator God or card carrying Satanists. There is just way too much evidence to show THEY KNOW it's all a lie.

What I would like to share here is something I received from a brother in the faith regarding the fact that the Bible doe sin fact declare the Earth orbits the Sun and not the other way around. Notice what he shares here.


  • Shaun: When you look up the original Hebrew word for Night in Genesis 1:5, the defintion says "properly a twist" (away from light). If I'm not mistaken this is literally saying the earth twists away from the sun, and that is how night comes. If the earth is FLAT, and only the sun moves, why does Scripture teach the earth TWISTS away from light?

Verse in Question:

  • Genesis 1:5, "And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day."

NIGHT: layil    le^yl    layela^h lah'-yil, lale, lah'-yel-aw

  • From the same as H3883; properly a twist (away of the light), that is, night; figuratively adversity: - ([mid-]) night (season).

ALSO SEE THIS VIDEO: Does Water Swirl the Other Way in the Southern Hemisphere?

ONE LAST THING on this topic.

As we know the flat earth theorist claims the earth is not only flat, it is stationary and never moves. They also declare the Sun orbits the earth. But notice this:

  • Psalms 19:4  Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,

This proves the flat earth claim is a lie. They say the Sun orbits the earth, but the word "tabernacle" which is also translated as a "home" proves they are in error. The Lord has “set” that tabernacle for the Sun.

LIVE STREAM PROOF - NASA is not altering orbital photos

Notice the two pics on the right. If you click here you can see the LIVE STREAM right now. I am not sure how long the stream will be online; but it was online 11-02-16 when I came across it. Notice if you will two things here. (click pics to zoom in)

#1, the earth itself is round. (not flat) Yes, that appears obvious, but also notice that the solar collector of the International Space Station (ISS) is not bowed, bent or curved in any way. Nor is any of the equipment in the pic. Flat earthers claim NASA is using a curved lense to cause the flat earth to appear round. If that's true, how is it the earth is the only thing coming up curved in a LIVE STREAM where the earth and the equipment is actually moving independently of each other?

I won't comment much on the photo aspects of the flat earthers a lot here as I covered and debunked that theory above in item #3. But notice pic #2? If you stay on the LIVE STREAM long enough you will eventually see all sorts of equipment come into view that the scientists are using on the ISS. In this case I was able to catch a pic of one of their hands. So again I must ask; if the pic was shot using a curved lense to make the flat earth appear round, why is it the astronaut's hand is perfectly normal?

Keep watching the LICE STREAM and you may see what I saw. There were all sorts of items floating in the shot as I happened on when some work was being done. Very interesting to say the least.

As for #2 in my point mentioned... Notice the clouds? Every flat earther I meet claim the pics of the earth all over Google and the "round earther" websites with the exact same cloud formation proves they have been using the same "artist's rendering" of a round earth for decades to hide the truth. If the earth was round we would have all sorts of pics with different cloud formation. Well.. stay on the LIVE STREAM for hours and you will see plenty.

Pray for those confused by the lies of the enemy of souls. They are all being sidetracked off the path of truth for eternal reasons that are VERY scary to say the least.

No "stars" in Nasa pics of Earth and the ISS?!

Directly after posting the previous evidence above regarding the fact the earth is round and not flat thanks to pics taken in orbit from the International Space Station. (ISS) I received an email from a dear soul claiming I am being deceived by NASA because there are "no stars in the pics taken from orbit." (See pic on left they usually use as proof) Of course those making such claims have to also be those that ignore all the other facts listed on this page for all to see, but then not everyone has seen this page. So let's give them the benefit of the doubt and assume for a moment that they haven't seen all the proof compiled here. Let's also use the premise for the sake of discussion that there is no other proof other than the ISS orbit pics for a moment to make this point much clearer shall we? (no pun intended)

That being said. Let me ask you this.. do you live in a city? It doesn't even have to be a big city either. Just about any city will do. If so.. look up.. see all those stars at night? Seems like a lot right? Sure it does. But you're about to be pleasantly surprised if you drive 2 hours out of the city into my backyard. Once in my neck of the woods, look up again .. see that massive cloud stretching from the east all the way to the west? Are you sitting down? That’s not a cloud. That’s actually trillions of stars in the Milky way. You never realized there were that many stars up there while living in a city did you? Now.. turn off my security lights and let your eyes adjust to the darkness of absolutely no city lights glaring into your view. Now you see even more stars don’t you? Pretty awesome eh? Looks like sand made of little dots of light doesn't it? And just think, I get to see that every single night I walk outside on a clear night. Better yet, when I look in my telescope I can actually see the rings of Saturn and the stripes on Jupiter! Not to mention the deep craters on the moon.

So what have we learned? Those living in a city can never see as many stars as those of us living in the country because of the glare from all the city lights that are much closer to their eyes than the faint specs of light coming from the far distant stars of the Universe. You literally have to get out of the cities and away from all that glare to see what we in farm country see every night. In the city the street lights and well lit buildings and billboards block out most of the stars because they are very close to your own eyeballs as opposed to the faint specs of light in the Milky Way. It's as simple to understand as gravity. In fact, have you ever had a cop shine his flashlight in your face? All you see is that artificial light, right? You can't even see the cop standing 1 foot away! I know, that's happened to me a few times in my early days. Truth is, this is why all observatories are far outside cities. City lights pollute the air with so much glare you simply cannot see much of what's up there.

Now for the clincher in all this. Let’s get back to that International Space Station shall we? Look at the picture on the right. Do you see that massive blue world reflecting all the light from that massive ball of fire we call the SUN? Both those massive sources of light, be they reflective or point of origin, confirm it is physically impossible to see any specs of light whatsoever from all those far distant stars! And driving from Chicago to my neck of the woods on any given clear night can easily prove that to anyone who has the slightest bit of common sense still pulsating through their God given brains.

So... Why are they preaching a flat earth?

It's hard to figure why Satan preaches such things as this. But when you look into the science of it all and then those preaching it, you actually see a pattern. What I mean is. As I surfed the Internet and went about reading all sorts of data on the theory of the flat earth, one thing kept popping up. Evolutionism! Almost every person that preaches this strange theory are evolutionists! That's right, Satan has actually CONvinced some Christians to help him preach evolution, and they don't even know it. But then, with disobedience comes a loss of wisdom.

The best way I know to explain this is, I see that this story of a flat earth was originally invented to promote the idea that Christians are always against science. After all, we know we haven't come from apes, and we know what happened in creation week, and so some scientists have been moved by Satan to concoct the flat earth theology that can be attractive to Christians so as to eventually move them towards their way of thinking. You can see how this worked so well in history wherein the Vatican once taught flat earth and to this day declare evolution is scientifically sound! The scientists wanted to make it appear as if the Christians were denying hard science due to their doctrinal stands. They (the scientists) taught that even if rock hard scientific proof was confirmed, the Christians would deny it if it went against the Bible. But that's never been true. However, just as Rome was able to use Sunday Sabbath to get Christians to ignore and even come to no longer trust Scripture so as to embrace Sunday as the Sabbath, Satan was able to use the flat earth theology to get even more to look upon the Bible as inept and faulty. Problem is.. we do have scientific data now today that confirms the earth is not flat and creation week can be proven plausible in a controlled laboratory environment. But Satan also knew there are many more uneducated walking the planet than there are educated. He also relies on the fact that in this age of convenience that some, even if they are educated, are just too lazy to do the legwork to prove the uneducated theorists wrong. Well.. I am not a lazy Christian, and that is why I posted this page on the site. We not only have Scriptural evidence to confirm the earth is a sphere, we now have scientific fact as well!



Some SDA's claim the flat earth message is a salvation issue

As hard as this may be to believe, some SDA's have started to declare the flat earth theory must be proclaimed so as to herald the arrival of Messiah, and some go so far as to declare it a "salvation issue." In other words, if you don't believe the earth is flat, or tell others it is flat, you will not gain Heaven. So, seeing how they are SDA, and of those that do understand Ellen White is a prophet, what does she say about this?

"I hope Brother Wilcox will be a truly converted man. This is his great need at the present time. He wants meekness, he wants humility, he wants genuine piety, and without it he is as sounding brass and a tinkling cymbal. His soul and your soul need the indwelling of Jesus. Whether the world is round or flat will not save a soul, but whether men believe and obey means everything."--Letter 43, 1887.

"The great question is, What shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? This is the science of what constitutes the higher education, and when this question is properly adjusted, the capabilities of the whole man are called into full exercise. There will be no agitation of the question whether the world is round or flat, but the whole burden of the soul is: What shall I do to inherit eternal life? We need now to make every talent that God has given us to be employed to His name's glory."  -- 21MR 414.5

"My answer was, "I have a message to this people in regard to the life they must live in this world to prepare them for future life which measures with the life of God. We have nought to do with the question whether this world is round or flat. [The important thing] is to serve God with full purpose of a renewed heart, sanctified and made holy by the cleansing blood of Jesus Christ."

Every issue will be brought in in various places by some persons who are not worked by the Spirit of God. Last night the Lord gave me words to speak to the people. Satan has a multitude of questions to bring in through various minds and ingenuity as all-important. Take the Word, plainly stating the truth for 1904; and the messenger that was sent of God had a message the same as the people need now. He was John the Baptist. --21MR 421.4,5

"There will be no agitation of the question whether the world is round or flat, but the whole burden of the soul is: What shall I do to inherit eternal life? We need now to make every talent that God has given us to be employed to His name's glory."  {21MR 414.5}  

Some times it's that easy to expose the lies. As we can see here, Sister White plainly declares the claim that the flat earth theology is a salvation issue is not only a lie, she declares it is Satan who comes up with the "all-important" theories in the minds of "some persons who are not worked by the Spirit of God." In short.. it can't be said any plainer than that. If someone comes to you claiming the earth is flat and worse yet, it is a salvation issue, they are indeed working as agents of Satan himself and they are in grave danger of damnation. So pray for them as you know this is your Christian duty. If you are unable to help them see the truth, send them this page. Hopefully the truth compiled here can help them.

One last thing. If you're SDA, you will appreciate this. E.G. White also said, "Satan is now using every device in this sealing time to keep the minds of God’s people from the present truth and to cause them to waver." -Early Writings, p. 43.

Ellen White said, "The Sabbath was made for a round world"

The Sabbath Made for a Round World
God rested on the seventh day, and set it apart for man to observe in honor of His creation of the heavens and the earth in six literal days. He blessed and sanctified and made holy the day of rest. When men are so careful to search and dig to see in regard to the precise period of time, we are to say, God made His Sabbath for a round world; and when the seventh day comes to us in that round world, controlled by the sun that rules the day, it is the time in all countries and lands to observe the Sabbath. In the countries where there is no sunset for months, and again no sunrise for months, the period of time will be calculated by records kept... The Lord accepts all the obedience of every creature He has made, according to the circumstances of time in the sun-rising and sun-setting world. . . . The Sabbath was made for a round world, and therefore obedience is required of the people that are in perfect consistency with the Lord's created world."--Letter 167, 1900.  {3SM 317.1,2}

MR No. 839 - Keeping the Sabbath on a Round World
"We took Brother and Sister Haskell with our team to the station at Dora Creek. On the way Brother Haskell read an article on the day line, written to meet the fallacies that are coming in to make everything uncertain in regard to when the seventh day comes.

It would be very strange if the Lord God of heaven should set apart a day for people to observe, and bless and sanctify that day, and give it to man and enjoin upon man that it be kept holy unto the Lord as a memorial that He made the world in six days and rested upon the seventh day and blessed the Sabbath day, and yet that day become so uncertain the world cannot tell definitely when the seventh day comes to us.

Here is a day given, and the Lord declares it shall be observe throughout your generations "for a perpetual covenant" (Exodus 31:16), as a sign of obedience and loyalty to God, and yet it is so obscured no one can tell when it comes!
Oh, what fallacies men will resort to in order to carry out false theories. The Lord pronounced His blessing upon all who keep holy the Sabbath day. His commandments are given to a thousand generations, and when that period is ended the redeemed host shall be in the city of God and observed the Sabbath there, and especially come up to worship God from Sabbath to Sabbath and from one new moon to another." (Isaiah 66:23.)-- Ms. 173, 1897, pp. 4, 5. (Diary, June, 1897.) White Estate Washington, D. C. March 25, 1981  {10MR 342.1-3}  

"The cultivation of certain faculties to the neglect of others makes Bro. Andrews a one-sided man. When on the subject of the round world, Bro. Andrews could scarcely think or talk without dwelling upon this subject. He carried this matter to extremes. He wearied the readers and listeners to his lengthy arguments upon that subject. Precious time was used up in talking and writing upon that subject, which needed to be canvassed, but did not require so great thoroughness. Bro. Andrews was wearying himself and others, and at the same time was leaving undone the weightier matters. And more recently, months of precious time have been used up in wearisome labor, chasing after the dishonest quibbles of a man who once kept the Bible Sabbath, but afterward rejected it. His opposition is so great upon the Sabbath question that he is insane upon the subject." -{PH159 188.1}

She actually uses the term "GLOBE" 1245 times! Proof? click here

When at one time a brother came to me with the message that the world is flat, I was instructed to present the commission that Christ gave His disciples, "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations: . . . and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end." [Matthew 28:19, 20.] In regard to such subjects as the flat-world theory, God says to every soul, "What is that to thee? follow thou Me. I have given you your commission. Dwell upon the great testing truths for this time, not upon matters that have no bearing upon our work."  {GW 314.1}

In other words, why are you preaching such things that are a literal waste of time when souls are dying out there without Christ?

Nuff said?

Stars rotate around the Earth?

Many in the flat earth community declare the Sun is the one that is moving around the earth when it rises and sets each day but not the planet itself. They declare the planet sits still and the Sun travels around it. But if that's the case then every star and planet in the Universe is also moving around the earth. And yes, I am fully aware the universe is expanding and everything is moving. But for them to claim it's moving so fast that the Sun and all the stars rises and sets each day declares the Universe is moving 365 times faster than anyone can imagine; and I say 365 times because there are 365 days to each year in this solar trek we find ourselves on. Since the flat earthers believe the sun orbits the earth, then that means everything in the Universe is moving at the same crazy rate of speed.

If that were possible there would be far more asteroid belts than planets in the Universe because most planets would have no choice but to crash into each other as they fly about. Not to mention the stars which would then be mowing down entire solar systems all over the place as they shoot about like crazed fireballs of destruction. Worse yet, for them to claim planet earth is sitting still would mean centrifugal force is a misnomer and there is no such thing as planetary gravity let alone universal gravity on a large scale. That would mean every kid (like myself years ago) that spun a bucket of water over their heads wherein the water never fell out are delusional. That water would never be able to stay in that inverted bucket because according to flat earthers, gravity is nonexistent.

But here's where the proof makes it's childishly easy to expose the lie. Check out the video I posted below. It was shot late at night so as to show how we on earth see the Milky Way Galaxy. Notice how it not only spins due to the earth's equatorial movement on its axis each and every day since time began here; it also shows how the Earth itself is traveling in orbit around the Sun. However that second point is a tad more difficult to see without watching the very slow movement of the stars which no longer appear at the next spin. What I mean is; If you live in Indiana on a farm as I do, you can look up at night in Winter on a clear day to see the Orion Nebula. But looking up at night in Summer at the exact same region of the sky at the exact same time on the clock will not afford you the exact same view because the Orion Nebula is now only visible on the other side of the planet due to its annual orbit of the Sun.

Truth is that easy to declare at times.

VIDEO of Space Station Transiting 2017 ECLIPSE

Not only does this video expose the deception of flat earth believers regarding orbital man-made technology, it's an amazing feat these young men pulled off using mathmatics. They not only calculated to the exact second, they also calculated the exact location on planet earth (a farm in Wyoming) were the International Space Station (ISS) could be seen from earth transiting across the Sun during the eclipse of 2017. If you check out the picture on the left (click the pic to zoom in) you will see a red circle. I placed that circle there to show the ISS as it appeared in transit across the Sun when I paused the video. I paused the video a split second after they did their countdown for when the ISS would be traveling in front of the Sun. That strangely shaped spot inside that red circle is not a Sun spot. In fact, click here and go to 3:29 in the video when the countdown is about to end from 3-2-1, and the ISS literally zips by very fast on its orbital track across the Sun. Keep watching and they will show it move across the Sun in slow motion. (at 3:50)

So, why is this important? Flat earthers claim we have no satellites in orbit above earth at all. They say all the cell towers and large antennas have been doing all the TV, radio and Internet signals all along. The truth is they have to make this claim because a flat earth is not only flat, it's not a spinning globe and since they claim it is not spherical, nothing can orbit a flat earth like the satellites we have had up there for literally decades. And so to get around their snafu, they simply lied. But this short video proves hands down that the ISS is in fact in orbit of a round world.

The flat earth believers also claim the ISS is a prop on planet earth wherein NASA does a video from every now and then to keep the lie going. But if you watch the video you can see the shape of the huge solar panels and the living pods zipping across the eclipse without too much trouble that confirm the ISS not only exists, it is shaped in the exact same way as all the NASA videos and pics report.

Flat earth promoters have stated for decades there are no satellites or space stations in orbit. Yet on 04-01-18 (fitting eh?) this was announced on Fox News...
VIDEO: Chinese space station Tiangong-1 hurtling toward Earth for reentry 



Joshua 10:13

This passage has been used by many "Christian" flat earthers; but there is something they always leave out in the same way the false prophets, pastors and teachers do with their sermons on many false doctrines they proclaim for their dying god.

Notice this.

They claim that the "Sun" is what stopped on that day because they also claim the Sun actually orbits the Earth and not the other way around. But before stating the obvious here, let me ask you this. If you were gravely uneducated and forced to get into a car with absolute perfect shocks wherein the ride in that car was so smooth you could not tell it was moving at all and you had only one small window to look out to see the world passing by as you travel down the road. As soon as the car stopped would you not then declare to everyone within earshot ... LOOK! THE ENTIRE PLANET STOPPED MOVING!

Using modern day language to decipher statements made thousands of years ago in Scripture works very well for those that find lies to be their comfort zone. Case in point, just 40 years ago the word "gay" meant happy and giddy, today it means homosexual.

Now for the obvious. Notice the word "AND" in Joshua 10:13? Pretty obvious isn't it? The flat earther never mentions the moon when they push their theory about a so called solar orbit do they? That's because for the Sun AND the moon to stop means the Lord caused the planet itself to stop orbiting the Sun. And so they have to leave the fact the moon stopped too. Had it only been the Sun that appeared to stop, then why is the moon mentioned? And why do all flat earthers leave that very important detail out when they claim Joshua 10:13 proves the Sun orbits Earth? It's because they are liars, and when truth exposes the lie they have embraced they will do all they can to hide it.

Problem is, there are people that actually read Bibles.

North Korean Nukes

As we all know, before Trump did what he did, North Korea was threatening to nuke the West Coast because their technology could not reach Washington D.C. But if the Earth was flat they would have to travel much farther just to get to our West Coast. Worse yet , they would have to fly over their original intended target of Washington D.C. to get to our West Coast. Notice the flat earth map.

Click map for LARGER pic.

Free Floating Sphere of Water

Check out this video when you get time. The scientist is in a zero gravity environment showing how waves move about on a sphere of water. He's not doing this to prove the earth round, he's just showing how the waves move in zero gravity. But if you notice, in zero gravity the water naturally finds it's own north and south polarity just as the Lord planned when the Holy Spirit fluttered over the formless void of the earth at the start of creation week.

Genesis 1:2  And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

As Christians we know that before the Lord allowed "dry land to appear" on the planet (in Genesis 1:9) it was a formless blob of water until the Holy Spirit moved upon it giving it its global shape so as to not only command order out of chaos but to glorify the Lord who created it.

As a common sense thinking people, we all know the planet to this day is about 75% water. And so I have to ask, how does all that water on planet earth stay flat when even a single drop falling from a faucet, or as we see in this video a blob of water separated from the vast ocean of water on the planet retain its original spherical shape when the flat earther says this is impossible? It doesn't. The flat earther is simply wrong. AGAIN.

And for those flat earthers that claim the earth is round like a flat disc, take another look at that video or that leaky faucet and you will see you have been lied to. And the only reason such a lie is moveing about the world today is because we are in the long prophesied age of lying wherein the dying god of this world is doing all he can to make the Creator out to be a liar. And sadly, all flat earthers are helping him spread the lie. Pray for them. There is not a lot of time left to repent.

Laser Beams and Flat Earth

As many have discussed on and offline over the years, pointing a laser at the moon can take 3 seconds or more to visible appear on the moon itself depending upon how strong your laser is. And so, the obvious question has to be, what would happen if you stood on the west coast and pointed the same strong laser west across the ocean in the direction of Japan?

Now yes, due to mountains and buildings perhaps it would be best to do it this way. Have a friend contact you from Japan the next time it is foggy in their city. After getting the call find the tallest building in California. Get to the roof. Point your powerful laser directly towards japan. Wait a few seconds and then call your friend in Japan who just alerted you about the fog and ask him or her if they see a laser beam coming from the east in the fog. If they do, the earth is flat.

This should work since the moon is much further away than the moon is from earth, and that photo on the left is an actual photo of a laser hitting the moon. Do a search online for the "ISS Space Sky Laser" you will see what I mean. I am not going to give one link as that will allow flat earthers to disavow it and call it a day. But if you do a search you will see MANY links they cannot refute.

So, since we know the laser can send a straight-line beam of light to the moon, it should easily make it all the way to Japan which is very much closer to California than it is to the moon. Your friend in Japan however will not see the laser beam because it will go off into space due to the curvature of the earth as I explained above in point #10.

Just as a person can't see Japan or even a ship on the horizon because we live on a round world, the laser beam will never be seen in Japan for the same reason.



May 31, 2020 International Space Station Docking

On your left if a screen shot (click to enlarge) of a video of the Dragon Endeavour spacecraft docking at the International Space Station (ISS) I paused the video at the 1:36:51 mark so as to prove my point. I needed some right angles to be in the shot and so I waited to get the perfect picture.

As we know, those preaching a flat earth claim that the  pictures of the earth are done using a fish eye lens so as to cause the horizon of the supposed flat earth to appear curved by fabrication.

I have to ask; if there was a fish eye lens being used here as they claim, how is it only the earth shows the curve, yet the solar panels on the ISS are clearly seem above the capsule that is docking with the ISS. Plus notice the fins on the spacecraft that is docking. All three fins and both solar panels are showing perfectly straight edges while at the same time the earth still shows its natural curve.

Again, how can they be using a fish eye lens in this video. For is they were, not only would the earth itself that they claim to be flat show a fabricated curve to it, both solar panels and all three fins on the spacecraft would show a curve as well. It would be impossible for only one item in the video to be curved by the lens while others are not. Reality simply doesn't work that way.

One more thing to notice here. Flat earthers also declare there is a massive ice wall at the edge of the flat earth. Yet never has anyone seen it nor has there ever been a picture from any ship on the sea, no picture from any high flying military or experimental aircraft and even though the ISS has been up there for years sending back 24/7 videos of the entire planet it's orbiting over and over again day after day, not one time has anyone seen that ice wall.

Flat Earthers Slander the Holy Spirit

The flat earth theory is a direct attack on the Holy Spirit! Just like those that declare the Holy Spirit doesn't exist in bodily form they seek to nullify the existence of the Holy Spirit. How so?  In the book of Proverbs we see that chapter 8 was actually written solely by the Holy Spirit and He says in Proverbs 8:27  "When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:" And also  notice Genesis 1:2 that says, "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

Before the Holy Spirit "set a compass upon the face of the earth" the water Jesus made was a formless blob in space "was without form, and void". The Holy Spirit caused it to have a NSEW format (compass) where in so doing caused to become a sphere. Flat earthers deny this ever happened. They say the earth is flat. But with every drop of water that falls from the sky of even a leaky faucet wherein it takes a spherical shape before hitting the ground, each and every drop declares the flat earth enthusiast is not telling the truth as it is written and when someone does this they are seeking to glorify the father of lies.

The Holy Spirit clearly stated in that very same chapter.. Proverbs 8:6-7 "Hear; for I will speak of excellent things; and the opening of my lips shall be right things. For my mouth shall speak truth; and wickedness is an abomination to my lips."

The flat earther is literally calling the Holy Spirit a liar when they claim the earth is flat for He declared with His own lips, that "he set a compass upon the face of the depth."





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