So... with Biblical jurisprudence as our foundation and basis of Truth. Does that which they preach appear to be that which is written?
Over the last few days I have surfed a few websites that preach this "Yahweh" and "Yeshua" message. I have done so simply because a few friends have been attacked recently by those that preach this message. In their defense, I have also become the target of their evangelization tactics. They have even gone so far as to "sarcastically" invite me to join their "Sabbatarian Netring" to have my website listed as a part of their collection of websites. At first I thought the invite genuine, but after investigating the collection of websites now in their ring, (only 8 deep at present) I came across a bevy of twisted Scriptures, traditions of men, doctrines of demons and out right lies. Some are now preaching we MUST keep the "feast days" in order to be saved. I Biblically expose that error on my "Feast days of Yahweh?" page. As time permits I will be sharing with those of you that are interested an ample supply of BIBLE FACTS that prove their doctrines to be outside the Word of God and in most cases in direct opposition to same. I pray you use this collection of Bible verses so as to evangelize those that have been lied to by these wolves in sheep's clothing. Again, the Biblical guidelines I will use are simple. Isaiah 8:20 boldly proclaims the basic elements to adhere to when investigating those that preach His Word, "To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."
The Yahweh teachers declare as "their truth"...
Q: = "What is the relevance of the number 666 in the Prophecies of the End of the World?"
What then does it benefit us to search for the meaning of 666,
referring to the name of the satanic beast? Why not rather ensure to find the
Name of God and have that sealed upon oneself? For details about the Scriptural
teaching on how to receive this Sacred Name, be sure to read:
(NOTE:) They declare you need to RECEIVE this "sacred name" and they actually have an entire web page "study" on it. Thing is, as you will soon see, their "Yeshua" and our Jesus are two different Messiah's. The TRUE Messiah Jesus can be verified in Scripture 100%, and the false messiah they embrace can be 100% exposed as evil within the very same Scriptures.
Those with a basic understanding of Bible prophecy can easily understand the Mark of the Beast deals directly with the decision all people on Earth will eventually have to make in the last days. Will they receive the "Seal of God" and be eternally saved? Or will they receive the "Mark of the Beast" and be eternally damned? The "666" and the "numbers of his name" as it is expounded upon in Revelation 13:18, has to do with the name / title the man of sin embraces as his own while standing in the place prophecy declares was designed by Satan himself. A "puppet" for lack of a better term will be the end result of these men that stand in this office carrying the name that equals 666. And as everyone knows, my website has a rather large collection of facts that prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the puppet of Antichrist is actually the Popes of the Roman Catholic church. With that in mind, can I prove that which I preach? Is there a connection between the "666" and the titles of the office of Pope that EVERY Pope embraces once he steps unto the throne of the Vatican and places that mitre of Dagon the fish god upon his head? What has the Catholic church have to say on this title?
"The letters inscribed in the Pope's miter are these 'VICARIUS FILII DEI'. which is the Latin for 'VICAR OF THE SON OF GOD.' Catholics hold that the church, which is a visible society, must have a visible head...., as head of the church, was given the title, 'VICAR OF CHRIST'." Our Sunday Visitor, (Catholic Weekly) "Bureau of information," Huntington, Ind., April 18, 1915.
Also keep in mind, this is only ONE of MANY titles the Popes hold as their titles of office. Truth is, ALL the titles of Pope = 666 individually. For further evidence on the Mark as well as a complete list of Pope titles that = 666,
One other thing I have noticed is, ALL these "Yahweh" sites have one underlying theme. They do NOT look at Jesus as Creator God, they belittle Him, and they constantly declare the troubles of the Jew in numerous aspects making it appear to be the main reason for the ministry. They often place the Jewish troubles in the forefront overshadowing any issues at hand. For example, they stated above that, " it becomes clear that the greatest sufferers would be the Jews" Regardless of the fact that Jesus declared the Great Tribulation would be upon His followers. And as you will soon see, they even DENY Jesus as Savior, declaring He is NOT necessary for salvation simply because they are of a Jewish bloodline. I have their exact words on this pasted below so as to better arm you in evangelizing. Fact is people, this is nothing new. I have documentation online of the Pope, Cardinal Francis Arinze, Robert Shuller, and even Billy Graham stating you do NOT need Jesus to be saved. So, the Yahweh cult is just one more faction of the three frogs of Revelation croaking out their final words so as to deceive BILLIONS away from Jesus Christ.
The next doctrinal belief system of the Yahweh faithful is to declare rather openly that Jesus is to arrive at His second coming, take residence on planet earth ushering in a millennium of peace-filled bliss ON EARTH, which will eventually end at the end of the 1000 years. FIRST off, how is that possible? Regardless of the fact that Jesus is NOT touching the elements of Earth outside a few puffy clouds as I will explain later, how I ask is it possible for the Creator of all that is seen and unseen to give up His 1000 year reign of peace to Satan? The Yahweh church, along with countless other denominations of error, all proclaim this easy to expose pack of satanic lies. Listen to their comments concerning this and a few other strange doctrines below...
Revelation 20:6, "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."
The 1000 years begins with a resurrection of the RIGHTEOUS. this is the FIRST resurrection.
Revelation 20:5, "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished...
The wicked will NOT be alive during this 1000 years. The Bible bluntly says they won't live until the 1000 years are over.
John 5:28-29, "Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."
That's two different resurrections being noted here. Plus, the Bible states these two are separated by 1000 years of time rather bluntly. So, how does the 1000 years begin according to the Bible?
FIVE SIGNS THAT START THE 1000 YEARS
1. The second coming:
John 14:1-3, "Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also."
Matthew 24:30-31, "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."
As most of us know. It starts with the second coming. Even the Worldly preachers know this. Problem is, they misunderstand certain Biblical aspects of what occurs DURING the 1000 years that allows for false prophecies and lies to be embraced by the general population as you will soon see.
2. Resurrection of the righteous:
1 Thessalonians 4:16, "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:"
1 Corinthians 15:51-53, "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."
First the dead Christians are raised. Then...
3. Translation of the righteous living:
1 Thessalonians 4:17, "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
The righteous LIVING are changed from mortal to immortal as was strated in 1 Corinthians 15:53. And then we go UP in the air with Jesus. Many preachers of today think Jesus will descend to the Earth at this time and set up His kingdom on earth now. However, the Bible doesn't say that at all. In fact, what does happen to those that don't go with Jesus...?
4. Wicked living are slain:
2 Thessalonians 1:7-9, "And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;"
Revelation 6:14-17, "And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?"
Revelation 19:11-18, "And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great."
Do some of you remember this verse we discussed many times before where Jesus tells the Apostles were the wicked will be when the Christians leave with Him at what the world calls the Rapture?
Luke 17:37, "And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together."
We will get back to this one later. The final sign that signifies the beginning of the 1000 years?
5. Satan bound:
Revelation 20:2-3, "And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season."
Bound = the same as you saying "I'm all tied up, I can't go with you." It's circumstances that will bound the Devil for the 1000 years, and what are these circumstances?
Isaiah 24:1,3 "Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof. The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the LORD hath spoken this word."
Jeremiah 25:33, "And the slain of the LORD shall be at that day from one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried; they shall be dung upon the ground."
He can't tempt anyone because they are all DEAD! They are BIRD FOOD!
Remember what this angel said
By the way... Will the birds be done
What will we be doing for those 1000 years?
Revelation 20:6, "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."
Revelation 20:4, "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them:.."
1 Corinthians 6:2-3, "Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?"
We will be reigning with Christ and doing the work of the judgment. But, why do you suppose the saints judge the world? Some may proclaim, "I thought Jesus did the judgment?" I say, CORRECT, and we are REIGNING with Him right now aren't we? Picture yourself in Heaven looking for someone you thought was a Christian, and finally realizing they are not there. Will you now go through eternity thinking about why your loved one isn't there? This judgment work we do is two fold...
(1.) It vindicates the Lord IN OUR HEARTS, exposing the lies of hell.
(2.) It proves the Lord gave your loved one EVERY opportunity to join Him and you in Heaven.
You ARE reading their book aren't you? You have all the proof before you. You now know that Jesus DID do as He said He would, and your loved one denied Him DAILY! The Lord opens the books so you can see with your own eyes that they did in fact ignore Him. And then finally you come to the conclusion, it is NOT His fault. they chose Hell on their own!
So, what happens at the end of the 1000 years?
FIVE SIGNS THAT END THE 1000 YEARS
1. The wicked are raised:
Jude 1:14-15, "And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him."
Revelation 20:5, "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection."
That's ALL the wicked! From Cain to the last sinner! BILLIONS upon billions the world over! Think of it! It's not going to be a fun place by any means. PLUS, they will not be in glorified bodies as you will soon see. So if they died deaf, dumb or blind, they awaken deaf, dumb and blind as well.
2. Satan is set free:
Revelation 21:2, "And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband."
Revelation 21:3, "And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God."
Want to know where it will settle down?
Zechariah 14:4-6, "And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee."
4. All the wicked are destroyed:
Revelation 20:9, "And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them."
Why did the wicked surround the city? Why not just leave us be? Why not leave and go someplace else away from the city? In this resurrection the Bible does not say they are resurrected "whole" or with "immortality." In the first resurrection, those Christians that die blind, awaken with sight, those that die deaf, awaken hearing, those that died lame, awaken walking. The second resurrection doesn't have these wondrous miracles because these wicked are not righteous, nor are they IN the city where there is something that heals the nations!
Genesis 3:22-24, "And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life."
Fact is, the "tree of life" is in the midst of New Jerusalem.
Revelation 22:2, "In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations."
How can they be healed when the tree is inside the city? Could it be they seek the tree of life so as to continue living forever in sin? However, it is written...
Nahum 1:9, "What do ye imagine against the LORD? he will make an utter end: affliction shall not rise up the second time."
Instead, theirs is the Great White Throne Executive judgment. When they come against the city to try and destroy it obviously for that tree of life We read this...
Revelation 20:11-12, "And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."
In front of every single human that ever lived. ALL the righteous in the city, and before all the wicked outside the city will be a grand view of the plan of salvation as the Great God stands before them. The righteous will not have to deal with the judgment of the wicked for it is written...
1 Corinthians 11:31-32, "For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world."
But the wicked trusted in their works alone to gain Heaven. they had no faith in Jesus to save them, so it is by their works they will be judged because they proclaimed themselves unworthy of a Saviour. HOWEVER, regardless of the outcome...
Romans 14:11, "For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God."
The problem is, the wicked will get up off their knees and try to take the city by force so as to gain eternal life, but as it is written... "... and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them." -Revelation 20:9
Revelation 20:13-14, "And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."
There is no resurrection from this death. Only those that took part in the "first" resurrection shall live on. It is this death that is permanent. It is here the saying "God of the living" is realized in reality. For the righteous WILL be living for eternity, and the wicked shall be dead for eternity. And after their bodies turn to ash, and the fire burns out, and all the wicked, Satan, his angels, death, and hell are burned to ashes. What do the righteous do that day?
Malachi 4:1,3 "For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch. And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts."
5. Earth made brand new:
2 Peter 3:10-13, "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness."
Revelation 21:1, "And I saw a new heaven and a new
earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there
was no more sea."
Earth will then be the home of the Almighty Godhead. His children will be about Him. And Heaven will be on earth.
-Original 'Outline' created by Kenneth Cox "Hope Beyond 2000 video" -tape 17)
Jesus = "Jehovah is salvation"
was the famous captain of the Israelites, Moses' successor
Acts 4:12, "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."
Romans 1:16, "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek."
Romans 10:12, "For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him."
Galatians 3:28, "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."
Tell your Yahweh friends to OPEN A BIBLE! It declare they are being LIED to folks! If they truly love the Lord, they will understand. If they don't love the Lord, they will never understand.
Romans 2:28,29 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Romans 9:6-8 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Ephesians 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Rather blunt eh? Biblical jurisprudence states now that to be called a "Jew" is actually to be called a BELIEVER IN CHRIST JESUS! So, how can they claim to be without need for salvation when Jesus Himself is in fact their plan of salvation all along. Fact remains people, Jesus said it plainly when He said in Matthew 21:42-43, "Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof."
There is a parable that quite accurately describes the loss of Salvation of the Jews...
Matthew 22:1-14, "And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said, The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son, And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come. Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage. But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise: And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them. But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city. Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy. Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage. So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests. And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. For many are called, but few are chosen."
The Jewish nation was invited to the wedding feast of Heaven time and time again. They repeatedly killed all the prophets the Lord sent to direct them back to Him. And then they even rejected Christ walking among them. The Lord even gave them additional time to get right by Him after they He was crucified. Still, they continued on in their rejection of Him. So, He had to do as was prophecied. The message that was entrusted to the Jews, would now be given to the Gentiles to preach. And notice this if you will. Since the Gospel has been given to the Gentiles to proclaim to all the World, fact is ALL THE WORLD is hearing it this day! They are not hording over the Word of God, they are not proclaiming those outside their gates "dogs" and they are not denying the Lord Jesus Christ to any man, woman, or child. Since the Gentiles have been blessed AND TRUSTED with the awesome task of proclaiming the Good News, IT HAS BEEN PROCLAIMED!
Acts 16:31, "And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."
It is a sad thing when you see the devil preaching such obvious lies that even a babe in Christ can see. It is sad when some will actually think they are guaranteed an escape hatch in hell simply because of their fleshly family tree. It is so boldly written in Matthew 23:33, "Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?"
It really is starting to appear as it was in John the Baptist's day isn't it? Didn't John also see an attitude towards the Truth such as we see in this YAHcult? Want to see an awesome comparison? See what John saw...
Matthew 3:1-10, "In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea, And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. And the same John had his raiment of camel's hair, and a leathern girdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey. Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan, And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins. But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire."
the YAHcult is saying the exact same thing as those in John's day!! The YAHcult declares they are saved simply because they have Abraham as their father, and John stated to those Jews of old... " think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father."
Now that is awesome!
The Word of God says...
Mark 16:9, "Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils."
You can verify they preach this easy to expose error on their "Come out of her my People" website
As we know the Word of God actually used YHWH for the name of God, and as we also know, many claim Yahweh is the proper way to spell it since YHWH is un-speakable in any language. Consider the following historic facts regarding the use and origin of the name "Yahweh."
If the Yahweh movement is accurate and we are only to use the name Yahweh for the Lord, why was the following passage penned?
Or what of this passage?